;_;

[s3xNstilettos]

;_; *is very depressed* ;_; my owner abandoned me, and now im lost, lonely,
scared, and confused ;_; *can't stop crying**i feel very sick**dead and empty* ;_;

*no mood to talk at moment*

[Commy Pandy]

Wow, PM me if you want to talk, my love.

[Ain]

<_< *is confused*

[Darkest]

<.< *is prolly more confuzzled than SDS*

[s3xNstilettos]

I am very sorry for the confusion. Everything is fine now but I will explain. There is something about me that no one here has ever known about me. I try not to tell people because then people would think I need help and would not want to talk to someone with my beliefs. Please read all of the text below and my post might make more sense. I was very upset when I posted this and wasn't thinking, but now it's too late, so I have to explain.

Part of my beliefs are Gorean plus a mix of different cultures/religions, but all relating to the purpose of man and woman's creation and role in life, except more modern, because in today's world it is almost impossible to have beliefs like Gorean. Gorean is fictional and was introduced in the fictional books by John Norman. It is the counter-earth much the opposite of what our world is. But there is an uprising of real life people that have adopted and believe in the Gorean philosophy. So what was once just fiction is becoming a real culture. Many people today rp Gorean in forums like this rp forum or in Second Life. In fact, Gorean is the most common subject in rp. But I am real, and there are only so many real Goreans. Goreans are not a race of people, more just the culture that inhabits the planet of Gor (fiction) but many people have turned it real and live by the Gorean philosophy which is very difficult to do in our world. So even as a real Gorean I cannot live fully by the Gorean philosophy, not many can because our earth makes that hard since women are free, well mostly anyways, on our planet, plus many other reasons.

There are an estimated 25,000 Goreans worldwide, real Goreans.

I will post a thread here sometime today or tomorrow that will give everyone a look into Gorean lifestyle. But right now, Wikepedia has a very brief but good two paragraphs explaining the fiction and reality of it, plus more details below that for those interested. Here is the URL.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorean

""Part of what Norman indicates as natural order, is that males have a predisposition to be more dominant, and females have a predisposition to be submissive. Norman indicates that with changes in society brought on by industrialization and feminism, human instincts have become confused and suppressed.""

[Ain]

*way more confused then before* D:

[Commy Pandy]

...OH! Well...I'm sure you'll find another owner...if that's how it works...

[sifth]

I’m confused, but from what I got from wikepida you believe in a master/slave type relationship. I’m also confused on your view of women, do Gorean’s look down on them or something?

Nothing personal and I’m sorry if I’m misinterpreting anything, I’m just really really confused.

[MILKO]

Sifth, your signature is cool.

[sifth]

thanks

[s3xNstilettos]

Jul 6, 2009 21:49:28 GMT -5 sifth said:

I’m confused, but from what I got from wikepida you believe in a master/slave type relationship. I’m also confused on your view of women, do Gorean’s look down on them or something?

Nothing personal and I’m sorry if I’m misinterpreting anything, I’m just really really confused.

NOTE: PG13!!! SOME OF THE FOLLOWING MAY BE MATURE CONTENT FOR ANY KIDS OR PRETEENS READING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No sifth. Gorean men do not look down on women. From most of our world's way of thinking that is how it would be interpreted. But Goreans believe in natural order. This means the way something is born and the way it acts or behaves by nature is how it is, and should not be changed. It should be respected. When most people of Earth are born, their customs and society molds people into what it wants them to be instead of letting them be how they are. 100 years ago women were much happier than they are today and there werent as many problems and fights relationship wise. But feminism and industrialization is suppressing human nature and causing chaos in social order.

Men are dominant by birth and women submissive, but I almost bet there is not a woman on this site that will admit that, and if she can give in to inner feelings and nature, then good for her, but very unlikely. In every culture/religion in one form or another they all, most anyways even our own, describe women as inferior or under man. Is this just a coincidense that so many countries that have nothing to do with each other have this in common? Or could it be that us women at one point or another, even now in some places, showed those behaviors that lead to historical documents showing women in this way? This is why feminism is a shame. It tries to make women believe they have to be like a man and do everything a man can do to be equal or respected, when in fact the opposite is the truth. Why is it that so many men want to rape a woman or think about it? Why do so many women, over 50%, fantasize about being raped? That is simply a man's dominant nature and a woman's submissive nature that have been suppressed trying to emerge. Even when you look at animals in the wild, you will notice that the males of most species force themselves sexually on the female, not all species, but most. In this suppressed world of thinking that is a crime.

An example would be if you looked at an animal in the wild, they behave according to their nature, but if they are captured and tamed usually from a baby, their nature is suppressed. They are tamed and made to act the way humans want them to act. This is why some tame animals lose it sometime and attack a person because their instincts take over.

Anyways, I still plan on posting that Gorean topic which will be created with multiple posts containing to each aspect and topic of Gorean. Bit it will take me a while to sort it out and get it ready for posting, days, maybe weeks.

""Paradoxically, the Gorean, who seems to think so little of women in some respects, celebrates them extravagantly in others. The Gorean is keenly susceptible to beauty; it gladdens his heart, and his songs and art are often paeans to its glory. Gorean women, whether slave or free, know that their simple presence brings joy to men, and I cannot but think that this pleases them.""

A woman does not want to be enslaved, but once she is she learns to embrace it and feels more free because she is now able to live her purpose for being created. Her natural instincts are no longer suppressed. She then lives by her submissive instincts as a kajira. Once broken we realize this. Gorean women accept their inferior position in life and we know our place.

There are even male slaves (kajiri), but they are very few and are usually a prisoner for a crime and have some rights and chances for freedom unlike the female slave (kajira). Male slaves are typically not thought of as slaves, more like criminals being put to work. Female slaves (kajirae) show contempt toward male slaves because they do not see them as real men, because they have been made slave. But male slaves are hardly ever heard of as they are more like prisoners/workers against their will, while real slaves can only be female as they are slaves to men by nature.

female slave (kajira)(kajirae for plural)
male slave (kajirus)(kajiri for plural)

[Darkest]

Scientifically, there is nothing wrong with this. It is all fact, yet we say it isn't because of society's need to distance and demonize everything we fear, and the need to fear everything we don't understand.

Now I may not agree with Gorean philosophy myself, that's because I've already made my decision for what I'm devoting my life to. But yes, from a scientific standpoint, theoretically, Gorean philosphy makes sense. But I also think there are always exceptions to every rule.

[Commy Pandy]

Darkest, I will seriously slap you.

[Darkest]

I said I don't agree with it myself. It's there in my post! Don't hit me, please!

[s3xNstilettos]

*sighs*

How very sad. *talking to self*

Meep, for what reason would you say that to Darkest? He said it makes sense because it does. But he has his own thing. It sounds as though you are mad because he said it makes sense and that is just not right at all.

If you are, just going to give an example, say Catholic, I would not get mad at somebody because they say you make sense. I have done nothing wrong and neither had he.

It sounds as though anyone who is Gorean or believes in it, or even says it makes sense you dont like that.

Or am I misunderstanding your post?

EDIT: Darkest, just stand up for your thoughts. All you said was that it makes sense. You never said you were Gorean. You have your own thing. And yes, I do know meep is the site admin and that that is what you fear. But it doesnt matter. Everyone is different and has there own ideas and that should be respected.

[s3xNstilettos]

to ISLAND RATZ and ISLAND ROSIE and ANYONE ELSE . . .

I need to clear something up with Island Ratz and Island Rosie, and anyone else that cares to know as I mistakenly forgot to mention something yesterday and forgot to respond to a comment.

You have both assumed in the chat box that the Gorean beliefs started from the Gor books. But that would be false. The beliefs of male and female roles as well as natural order and a counter-Earth that mirrors our own and everything else Gorean has existed for ages, it just so happens that professor John Norman wrote books around it with his idea of that theory of that world and roles in society and gave it a name. So all the books did was add some fiction to the beliefs and ideas with a story around them. So he gave them a name.

Has anyone here ever heard of the theory that there was a war ages ago between man and woman, and the women lost? If you have, then it is a Gorean theory you have heard and you didnt even know it was Gorean.

[MILKO]

....

[Lord Agent Dr. Vect]

Wuh oh, Goreans?

...

So why are we having this conversation? Wh-Who are you? Why are you here all of the sudden?

[Helix]

Uh, the timestamp is 2009....

Which makes me wonder why this happened in the first place. WEEEEIRD.

[The Canada Core]

Rosie just brought this motherfather conversation back as a blast from the past

[Lord Agent Dr. Vect]

I wasn't even aware this conversation even existed until now!

[teamantisocial]

This shit seriously weirded me out for a week.

[Spidermaaan]

Trooooooll

Glad I wasn't here when this chick was cus I would have been such a bitch LOL

[The Canada Core]

Hey, she might not have been a troll! Maybe she actually was Gorean! And all you guys were so mean to her during her time of need, 'cept for Darkest. He was a true man's man T_T


Lol.

[MILKO]

I just thought it was insane.

[Alex!]

...........hmm........yeeeeeeeeahh.......

Would have been even more entertaining to read this retro-post if Chesh had been involved XD

[Lord Agent Dr. Vect]

Well, I've heard of Goreans before. Can't say I agree, but I get the feeling she'd fit in perfectly with Caesar's Legion.

[RowBoat]

totally wanna know if she's a 50 shades convert now

[teamantisocial]

She probably lives it.

[ZuZu]

;_;